Posts by Island Man

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A cracking good JC! This is how it's done, folks.

by Island Man in

in this jc the couple accused of apostasy, lay down some inconvenient and incontestable truths about the organization's teachings that leave the elders speechless - as far as them mustering any efforts to refute them.

oh and by the way, do you remember what geoffrey jackson said at the australian royal commission when he was asked about an inactive jw being called to account if the elders stopped by and find him celebrating the holiday?

don't worry if you've forgotten because the couple mentions it to the elders, you know, seeing as it's the very same reason why they're being accused of apostasy, thus proving geoffrey jackson's statements to be false!.

Island Man

In this JC the couple accused of apostasy, lay down some inconvenient and incontestable truths about the organization's teachings that leave the elders speechless - as far as them mustering any efforts to refute them.

Oh and by the way, do you remember what Geoffrey Jackson said at the Australian Royal Commission when he was asked about an inactive JW being called to account if the elders stopped by and find him celebrating the holiday? Don't worry if you've forgotten because the couple mentions it to the elders, you know, seeing as it's the very same reason why they're being accused of apostasy, thus proving Geoffrey Jackson's statements to be false!

Damn! These elders got a lifetime worth of cognitive dissonance. Remember to be nice to them when they finally visit us here on JWN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eu6MJ817wc

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JWs and New Year's Resolutions

by JW_Rogue in

anyone else find it odd that jws don't do new year's resolutions?

i have never read anything about it in any wt publication.

yet, it is like some unwritten rule.

Island Man

I think many inactive JWs and never-baptized born-ins make new years resolutions. Why? I notice that many of them start attending meetings early in January every year. They start attending regularly for a week or two then they fade out and disappear again. I get the feeling that "returning to Jehovah" was a new years resolution that they made.

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Daniel 12:4, A Watchtower's tactic for the naive and unlearned readers who need to believe in some thing

by opusdei1972 in

"but you, daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end.

many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.

(daniel 12:4).

Island Man

In any case, Daniel 12:4 is talking about knowledge of the sealed up portion of the book of Daniel which he, Daniel could not understand. To apply it to true knowledge of the whole bible is to misapply the verse.

Also, the verse says that many shall run to and fro. That is not the situation with JWs. With JWs very few - specifically, the Governing Body - are running to and fro, coming up with one false speculative teaching after another, and feeding it to JWs who all blindly accept it.

So JWs misapply Daniel 12:4 on three counts!

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I almost died laughing at the meeting last night. OMG WTF is going on? Have I been away this long?

by macys in

ok so most of you guys know already that i am going through the reinstatement process for my parents but i do have a partially sinister plan which i will not mention here since someone told me that there are b-lites that read boards like this.

last night and it was the funniest experience i have ever seen.

besides that the brother doing the sound and video screwed up the whole thing when showing the videos and it took 3 brothers to fix it after 10 minutes, the whole thing was a joke.

Island Man

The silhouette presentations were very tacky. Several times during the presentation the publisher's shadow was not only different to the publisher's profile but was also out of sync. It was real laughable to watchtower the publisher's shadow reach into the bag before the publisher did. lol.

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I almost died laughing at the meeting last night. OMG WTF is going on? Have I been away this long?

by macys in

ok so most of you guys know already that i am going through the reinstatement process for my parents but i do have a partially sinister plan which i will not mention here since someone told me that there are b-lites that read boards like this.

last night and it was the funniest experience i have ever seen.

besides that the brother doing the sound and video screwed up the whole thing when showing the videos and it took 3 brothers to fix it after 10 minutes, the whole thing was a joke.

Island Man

"It is as if Jurassic Park and an airport calypso band made a song together!"

Hey! Don't be dissing my culture!!!

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Island Man

I understand TD. But I'm sure that the JWs will concede that a person's use of his own blood in his veins is also a legitimate use of blood that does not infringe on the command to abstain from blood. And once that is conceded it can then be shown logically that transfusions involve the use of blood in the same way, with the only difference being the source of the blood - which is irrelevant as demonstrated by the fact that JWs make no distinction between transfusing foreign blood and transfusing your own pre-donated blood.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Island Man

3. It was a capital offense to use blood for any purpose other than to offer it as a sacrifice on the altar.

This is actually not entirely correct. You forgot another permissible use of blood outside of the sacrificial process - a use of blood that exposes the JWs' ban on blood transfusions as being illogical. I'm talking about the primary function of blood - the function for which it was created by Jehovah. The prohibition on blood obviously does not apply to our use of our own blood in our veins.

So there are actually two permissible uses of blood: (1) on the altar (explicitly stated in scripture) and (2) in our veins (not explicitly stated in scripture but obviously implied by the fact that the Law did not instruct or require the Israelites to slit their throats and bleed themselves to death).

Do not quickly ignore this second, permissible use of blood because it has a direct bearing on the blood transfusion issue!

Given that using our own blood in our veins does not constitute a violation of the command to abstain from blood; and given further, that the command to abstain from blood says nothing about the source of the blood ("any kind of blood", to wit JWs aren't to be transfused even with their own pre-donated blood); we can logically deduce that using donated blood in our veins would also be permissible.Why?

Transfused blood is used by the body in the same way and for the same purpose as native blood. Thus we can see logically that the command to abstain from blood - really, abstain from the eating of blood - cannot be applied to transfusions since transfusions involve use blood for a permissible purpose - the same purpose we use our own native blood.

Eating blood is different by virtue of the fact that it involves equating the soul with food, which has the effect of undermining blood's spiritual value to atone for the life of the sinner on the altar. For "the soul is worth more than food". (Matthew 6:25b)

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Really beautiful Watchtower article about truth

by Anders Andersen in

this is the singlemost best watchtower article i have ever read.. it almost brought tears to my eyes (please note the almost ;-)).

"what is truth?

"this question is one which every sincere christian should ask and seek to answer.

Island Man

"I like the quote from CTR that says, "a truth told by Satan himself being just a true as a truth told by God himself".

Huh?, come back with that again."

You know, like when Satan told Jesus that all the kingdoms have been delivered to him and he can give them to whomever he wishes, and the JWs use Satan's words to say he is the ruler of the earth? The JWs obviously accept that truth spoken by Satan, don't they?

So share the old 1879 Watchtower article with JWs and when they protest that they will never accept a truth from Satan or say that Satan can never speak truth, just ask them to explain why they accept Satan's words to Jesus as truth.

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New Word Coined In April 2016 WT!

by Naoscillator in

and the word is... .

canaanitelike!.

here it is in context, just in case you're curious about how to use this new word.. article: being faithful leads to god's approval.

Island Man

On further thought, why use the word Canaanitelike? The writer could have used the word Canaanite since it is also an adjective. So why did he go out of his way to use Canaanitelike when he could have used the adjective Canaanite? I think it reveals something about this particular writer. Could it be that this particular writer is less of a judgmental zealot and so is reluctant to call people Canaanite and feels compelled to soften it to Canaanitelike? Maybe he was told to use Canaanite and he decided to soften it to Canaanitelike and it was approved.

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New Word Coined In April 2016 WT!

by Naoscillator in

and the word is... .

canaanitelike!.

here it is in context, just in case you're curious about how to use this new word.. article: being faithful leads to god's approval.

Island Man

Oh come on. There's nothing wrong with the word. You can tack "like" on the end of virtually any noun to coin a new word. It's a legitimate practice. Criticize the Watchtower indoctrination - the Watchcraft - all you want, but the language mechanics is sound. It's valid because Canaanite is a noun. The parody examples such as "parasiticlike" is not comparable because parasitic is already an adjective so it would be wrong - redundant, I think - to tack "like" at the end of it. However, parasitelike should be valid, because parasite is a noun. The only criticism I will make is that perhaps they should have added a hyphen - Canaanite-like.